Well just a follow up with what I ended up with. I had identified some possibles online, but reluctant to chance something I couldn't try on in person, with not enough time left before my trip to order another. So after shopping around locally without any luck I went back to the Redwing store. Was going to try some more of their King Toe models. Coincidentally there was a pair of boots on a display in the middle of the store that looked even wider than King Toes. And they weren't king toe. But side by side they were actually wider. After finally matching them up with the correct product (they weren't labeled) I figured out they were #4423
http://www.redwingshoes.com/red-wing-shoe/4423-red-wing-shoes/4423-red-wing-mens-6-inch-boot-black Aluminum toe, but I don't think anyone would tell the difference (not even sure if the company differentiated between steel and aluminum toe anyhow). I didn't need waterproof, but at that point beggers can't be choosers - it was the day before I was leaving on my trip, and I only showed up to the store the last 15 minutes they were open on Sunday. They had a bit of a heel, and a bit of arch support, but removing the insole helped both of those (took out the arch support almost completely). The heel was still less than ideal, and I thought maybe to shave it down on the bandsaw, but decided last minute with the boot on the bandsaw to not take a chance of messing them up before the trip since my bandsaw often tracks off crooked. Now I am back I may yet try and if it cuts crooked I might be able to get it back straight by sanding. In any case these were mostly comfortable and had plenty of room for my toes. In fact I went down a half a size compared to my last 2 pairs of boots, and still had extra room and unnecessary length I probably should have went down a full size.
The width difference in the toes with my last pair is HUGE!
So sometime soon I will try and shave off around 1/2" of the heel and see if it flattens these out a bit. The other thing that bothered me was the toe spring, or at least the curvy shape of the bottom. Maybe taking a bit off the heel will help that, and wearing some more might unspring them a bit. At times it felt like the middle of my foot wasn't even touching the bottom, with the heel raised up a bit and toes curving a bit up to. They were a bit hot being waterproof leather, not sure if they made a non-waterproof model of the same (wish I had more time to research that before a bought em). I like the lacing system, and the back of the ankle has a nice rubber armored section also with a nice knob (for lack of better term) that you can hold down with your other foot or something while you pull your feet out, plus a pull strap for getting your feet in.