@HSB - give it a try. Pick a sunny dry day and run on a paved roadway. If the temperature is 30-40°F the road surface with be 50°F. Be sure to take some footwear that you can easily throw on if you get cold. @BareLee - Run Barefoot (Lou) used an infrared thermometer. he may be able to give you a better idea about surface vs air temperature. Honour system as far as temps go. We usually go with air temp. @Bob and Grant -- good work on the TO Star article @Shacky - he's a nomad so both he and Vanessa qualify as their own country. We can leave it up to them what they'd like to call it. How about RVville. When do you two get into Wolfstead?