Mouth is for eating nose is for breathing

mouth breathing causes facial deformity and also teeth deformity, there is no room for discussing it, it's well proved by science, however very few people know this and dentist and others take advantage of it for $$$

i dont agree with that, all foods are not toxic, vegetables, fruits etc are the opposing of toxic, and "we've got to eat something" sorry but thats a big fallacy, people dont need to eat milk nor cheese and eating it in moderation even though it causes bad health for some persons is not a wise thing to do (in fact its very stupid)

the common fallacy of "we have to eat everything" (i dont know exactly how it is in english but in spain is "hay que comer de todo") is not true, we have to eat all the necessary nutrients and nothing more, the source is not important as long as it gives you the neccessary and proper nutrient

Many fruits contain extrinsic acids that can etch away at tooth enamel.
Many fruits and berries evolved to be eaten by certain species and remain mildly toxic to others. Its why some fruits are considered to be better for us than others. Nature is selective.
Modern cultivation practices introduce pesticides to our diet, unless you can afford organic.
The fruit my parents ate is not the fruit we are exposed to now, fruits have been selectively modified to be larger and sweeter and contain far less nutrients and are less beneficial to our health.
The flesh of fruit around the seed is usually highly toxic, the plant doesn't want you to eat the seed it wants you to spit them out whole.
I don't consume dairy products am 95% raw vegan but will eat wild oily fish for the other 5%. I suffer from nose congestion.

I can see you are impassioned about your convictions, but like in all things there has to be a balance and a cross pollination of ideas, ethics and understanding.

I know what it's like when you are impassioned about something, i take the same stance about many issues, but i've learned that once you've presented your case you need to let people come to their own conclusions else you'll just push people away.

Out of curiosity, i know you're a nose breather, how do you cope with steep hills when running? Much of my training revolves around running hard uphill, i prefer that to speed workouts on the flats.
 
how do you cope with steep hills when running? Much of my training revolves around running hard uphill, i prefer that to speed workouts on the flats.
Usually my nose isn't congested any more (thanks to the crazy Russian doctor! :)). If I have problems with nose breathing when running up steep hills, I consider that I'm too fast for my actual capacities and slow down or walk (I'm also an adept of Maffetone method, which means for me (aged 45 with allergies) to keep my heart rate under 130, which is not easy going uphill, but nose breathing helps to keep it down somewhat).
How doing speedwork and keeping the heartrate under 130 at the same time? Well, that's yet another zen koan ...:D
 
Usually my nose isn't congested any more (thanks to the crazy Russian doctor! :)). If I have problems with nose breathing when running up steep hills, I consider that I'm too fast for my actual capacities and slow down or walk (I'm also an adept of Maffetone method, which means for me (aged 45 with allergies) to keep my heart rate under 130, which is not easy going uphill, but nose breathing helps to keep it down somewhat).
How doing speedwork and keeping the heartrate under 130 at the same time? Well, that's yet another zen koan ...:D


Thanks Hobbit :)
I've been sticking with the 'crazy Russian doctors prescription' and it has been working to a degree. I also find it easier to start out my runs mouth breathing, after a few miles my sniffer is usually clear so i can switch and not have to think about it any more until i hit a hill.
I love high intensity hill training, probably my favourite workout so slowing down doesn't even enter the equation:D
 
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Picked up the book 'Running with the mind of meditation' by Sakyong Mipham a Tiebetan Lama.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Running-Mind-Meditation-Lessons-Training/dp/0307888169

In the first few chapters i learned about the breath and more importantly focused breathing, which is in effect the root of meditation.
As a Westerner i never understood the concept of meditation, but when placed in the context of running i warmed to it immediately. Sakyong even states the book that most runner's instantly take to the principles.
You here a lot of distance runner talk about zoning out but i never realised that it was a state you could train towards.
 
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I had an adenoid problem as a kid so my nose is only good for singing :rolleyes:
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me too! avoid milk and your adenoids will very probably heal
Many fruits contain extrinsic acids that can etch away at tooth enamel.
Many fruits and berries evolved to be eaten by certain species and remain mildly toxic to others. Its why some fruits are considered to be better for us than others. Nature is selective.
Modern cultivation practices introduce pesticides to our diet, unless you can afford organic.
The fruit my parents ate is not the fruit we are exposed to now, fruits have been selectively modified to be larger and sweeter and contain far less nutrients and are less beneficial to our health.
The flesh of fruit around the seed is usually highly toxic, the plant doesn't want you to eat the seed it wants you to spit them out whole.
I don't consume dairy products am 95% raw vegan but will eat wild oily fish for the other 5%. I suffer from nose congestion.

I can see you are impassioned about your convictions, but like in all things there has to be a balance and a cross pollination of ideas, ethics and understanding.

I know what it's like when you are impassioned about something, i take the same stance about many issues, but i've learned that once you've presented your case you need to let people come to their own conclusions else you'll just push people away.

Out of curiosity, i know you're a nose breather, how do you cope with steep hills when running? Much of my training revolves around running hard uphill, i prefer that to speed workouts on the flats.

but the damage of the teeth is extremely low, foods with a lot of sugar causes much damage

of course, depends of the species

contain far less nutrients?? thats not true, also genetic modification is not so widespread and big, oranges of today at least the majority are the same your grandpa ate

then you are not vegan if you eat fish, i am vegan, and try avoiding gluten, soy has also been reported to cause congestion in some minor cases i think its rare but try it if you want, avoiding nasal congestion is extremely important

also if you had an injure in your nose that causes nasal congestion because if the bone of the nose is twisted or smthing like that you will have more or less breath troubles, i was a boxer and my bone of the nose (dont know how its called in english) is twisted and i have problems to breath trhought the right nostril of my nose, only my left nostril works perfectly however i manage to breath well trhought nose, when i was kid i had adenoids and a lot of mucosity
in my case milk and cheese etc causes me huge amounts of mucus, however my mother can eat all the milk, gluten etc she wants and breath perfectly haha genetics i believe

and what u mean about impassioned? what i say about mouth breathing is based in science, its not about ethics or whatever its true and i told that to people to help them because otherwise mouth breathing will destroy their health, and its not about my opinions its about facts

steephills how? i breath sometimes in hard training trhought mouth i try not to force too much my nose, and i was a severe mouth breathing till march 2013, and i was severe mouth breather since i was 4

also i want to clarify that i say mouth breathing as in normal states not in training, mouth breathing (which is unnatural too) trhought all day, eating, sleeping, watching tv, etc etc, mouth breathing trhought hard physical trainings is not bad
 
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me too! avoid milk and your adenoids will very probably heal


but the damage of the teeth is extremely low, foods with a lot of sugar causes much damage

of course, depends of the species

contain far less nutrients?? thats not true, also genetic modification is not so widespread and big, oranges of today at least the majority are the same your grandpa ate

then you are not vegan if you eat fish, i am vegan, and try avoiding gluten, soy has also been reported to cause congestion in some minor cases i think its rare but try it if you want, avoiding nasal congestion is extremely important

also if you had an injure in your nose that causes nasal congestion because if the bone of the nose is twisted or smthing like that you will have more or less breath troubles, i was a boxer and my bone of the nose (dont know how its called in english) is twisted and i have problems to breath trhought the right nostril of my nose, only my left nostril works perfectly however i manage to breath well trhought nose, when i was kid i had adenoids and a lot of mucosity
in my case milk and cheese etc causes me huge amounts of mucus, however my mother can eat all the milk, gluten etc she wants and breath perfectly haha genetics i believe

and what u mean about impassioned? what i say about mouth breathing is based in science, its not about ethics or whatever its true and i told that to people to help them because otherwise mouth breathing will destroy their health, and its not about my opinions its about facts

steephills how? i breath sometimes in hard training trhought mouth i try not to force too much my nose, and i was a severe mouth breathing till march 2013, and i was severe mouth breather since i was 4

also i want to clarify that i say mouth breathing as in normal states not in training, mouth breathing (which is unnatural too) trhought all day, eating, sleeping, watching tv, etc etc, mouth breathing trhought hard physical trainings is not bad


About being passionate, i was just trying to keep the thread on track, about running and breathing techniques. And yes i'm not a vegan, i'm a human being ;)
 
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There seems to be quite a lot of meanings being lost in translation in this thread :eek:
 
So far my experience has not been similar to others. I find it terribly distracting to focus on breathing through my nose and less relaxing than breathing at will. My heart rate actually seems to increase due to nasal breathing. Probably gonna shelve it for now and just breathe naturally.

The meditation piece is also lost on me, when I focus on breathing I seem to lose the focus on being in the now with the excercise? Seems a little contradictory actually. I wonder if this technique might benefit someone who doesn't normally breathe deep and would not frequently unless they force themself too?
 
So far my experience has not been similar to others. I find it terribly distracting to focus on breathing through my nose and less relaxing than breathing at will. My heart rate actually seems to increase due to nasal breathing. Probably gonna shelve it for now and just breathe naturally.

The meditation piece is also lost on me, when I focus on breathing I seem to lose the focus on being in the now with the excercise? Seems a little contradictory actually. I wonder if this technique might benefit someone who doesn't normally breathe deep and would not frequently unless they force themself too?


What i'm finding, and something Mike pointed to is the cultural differences to breathing techniques.

Meditation, is just a form of 'brain training' that echoes in many ways the way we train for running.
At first you need to see some benefit from the practice, then build a base through practice, starting out small and gradually building to hopefully a less chaotic better focussed mind. The rabbit hole goes very deep once you start reading about it.

Personally i've gained loads from this thread. I don't think i'll make a very good nose breathing runner, it contradicts my first love which is hill running, I also don't think my hooter is up to the job :) But i have learned to be aware of my breathing, to check it just like i check my form, i'm learning to focus and by doing so can focus on positive things instead of just random chaos and worries, in that i'm learning to relax.
 
Agreed about the thread, its interesting because I see benefit from breathing techniques in yoga, weight lifting and running. I just find the restrictive nature of nasal breathing causes more duress and distraction than relaxation. If that makes any sense?

I do enjoy not eating so many bugs on my way home though.

Yeah some day I will get into meditation, maybe when I have a little more time on my hands.
 
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Shoot, a lot of people have benefited from this. I might have to place a moratorium on my 'just run' bylaw and give it a try. God help me, this could be a gateway to cadence counting, heart rate monitoring, knee bending, not pushing off, and all the rest.


...and no fears on this one: Most people find shutting their mouths really simplifies both running and life in general.
 
two ears and one mouth for a reason.

abide, nose breathing is what's natural. ;)

as with anything you all have to give it time. slow down on those hills and eventually you'll run up them again.
 
The gist of you "nose-breathing" advocates now seems to be that it's the natural and efficient way to get oxygen, as long as you go real slow so you don't need very much. You are reinforcing BFR's lunatic-fringe image with this nonsense.
 
two ears and one mouth for a reason.

abide, nose breathing is what's natural. ;)

as with anything you all have to give it time. slow down on those hills and eventually you'll run up them again.


I haven't given up on it completely Mike, i walk a five mile loop every day, on top of my running, to get fresh groceries, nose breathing is perfect for me then, I have never felt so relaxed.
I'll switch to hooter power when running on the flats, but in my case that isn't that often :D
I think the practice is in my psyche now, i also have to find ways to clear my nose more efficiently :)
Sometimes things take time to settle with me so expect many changes of heart until i find what works. I think it's important we share our journeys and be honest about our experiences at any given time.
 
The gist of you "nose-breathing" advocates now seems to be that it's the natural and efficient way to get oxygen, as long as you go real slow so you don't need very much. You are reinforcing BFR's lunatic-fringe image with this nonsense.

Right. And going slow while transitioning is nonsense too. And combining the two is double nonsense!

I tried nose breathing in cold weather since it seemed that mouth breathing was really drying out my vocal chords. It made sense to me at the time to continue that practice in the warmer weather since I was still adapting to this new way of running. When I was a shoe runner, I always ran as fast as I could each run and always took a hiatus after a few months. Now I still have to mouth breath up hills or when racing, but I think I've noticed some improvement and I will run year round. I will probably never run as easily as the Tarahumara but so far I feel better that ever about running. I know, crazy talk, right!?
 
even uphill, S. Jurek and John Douillard say nose-breathing.
if the effort is too hard, exhaling can be through the mouth, expelling the air "like a ball of fire"
(i'm not sure what it means, but that's what they say)

the idea is that at the beginning it wont be easy and is gonna slow you down,
but with experience, you'll be more efficient AND more relax, and after few months you'll be faster, even uphill